Wednesday, March 29, 2006

Sensitive, New Age Guy

So many things are pissing me off right now, I'm proabably going to unleash a flurry of posts as soon as I get more than a half an hour to jot my thoughts down. Just a head's up.

But what can I relate my frustration with in just 30 minutes and simultaeously poke the proverbial beehive? Well, something that in general has bothered me over the years is what I perceive as the feminization of modern man. I hadn't thought about it much lately, until I read this interview with Harvey Mansfield.

Have a look at it. I think it's interesting, because then you read stories about how Gonzaga's Adam Morrison cry when they lose basketball games (not the silent, private crying, but full-blown lying on the floor and bawling, from what I hear - I don't watch basketball), and a guy has to ask himself, is this a manly reaction?
Mr. Mansfield's contention that women and men are not the same is now widely supported by social scientists. The core of his definition of manliness--"confidence in a risky situation"--is not so far from that of biologists and sociologists, who find men to be more abstract in their thinking and aggressive in their behavior than women, who are more contextual in their thinking and conciliatory in their behavior
I don't know what that has to do with crying in sports necessarily, but I'm going to likely bring this up again soon as it pertains to politics. Politics may be a game, but what it comes down to is choosing a leader. Do you want a leader with a clear, principle-based vision, or someone who just tells you what he thinks you want to hear to get elected and later finds he doesn't have the 'nads to handle the situation?

So rather than go on and on about it at length as usual, let me put the question to you: Do you think men have become less manly? Is it good or bad? Any amusing anecdotes would be appreciated.

I think that the feminist movement and modern liberalism in general have resulted in effete indecisive beta males who gang up upon males who are more manly than they are. I think misandry, like misogyny, goes both ways. I also think that most women, even ones who would never admit it, prefer men to be... manly.


Blogger Nicki bloody well said...

I prefer my men manly. The wussification of men makes me absolutely sick! They're encouraged to be more sensitive, more empathetic, more tolerant, whatever...

Instead, they're gravitating to the other extreme of being weak, ineffectual and whiny.

I hate that.

Just sayin' ...

29 March, 2006 13:32  
Blogger James Manning bloody well said...

Damn right they're being sissified. Metrosexuals, the Man Bag, Dr. Phil - Kanye West wearing tight sweaters - it's sickening.

All I hear is how women love a man that takes care of his nails and toes - what kind of crap is that? I clip my toes with my fingernails and I clip my fingernails with my teeth...

I can understand shedding a tear when you lose a big game, but crying to the point where ya moms is looking to run out of the stand and comfort you is a bit much. Before long they're going to wuss us up like Europeans.

I've even heard of some men getting a bikini wax. If that's not an abomination I don't know what is.

30 March, 2006 00:13  
Blogger James Manning bloody well said...

By the way, I blogged on this a while back. This crap all started with the Ken Doll. Check it out:

No More Room For Ken

30 March, 2006 00:19  
Blogger Nunzia bloody well said...

I think that there is definitely a weakening of gender lines. I see men that are more stylish than most women these days. There are also men who definitely wear more pink than used to be acceptible as well.. but I don't think there's anything wrong wigh a guy having emotions.... I mean.. not sobbing on the street emotions, but... yeah... it's a tough one... :)

30 March, 2006 09:34  
Blogger Patrick Joubert Conlon bloody well said...

I don't know if modern men are more sissified but they sure are immature. I associate manliness with taking responsibility and city guys seem to be going the way of European men - being immature, irresponsible, silly and vain. The more government plays the role of dad the more infantilized men become.

30 March, 2006 11:04  
Blogger Gyrobo bloody well said...

I blame standardized testing.

30 March, 2006 11:11  
Blogger Crazy Politico bloody well said...

I blame chicks. It's all their fault, they want us wearing pastel colors, "getting in touch with our feminine side", and to watch friggin' "chick flicks".

Yup, men are less manly, and it's all in the name of gettin' some.

30 March, 2006 19:34  
Blogger jgf bloody well said...

I'm all for he-man kind of men. The day my husband gets a manicure is the day I cry for his misspent manhood.

30 March, 2006 22:18  
Blogger The Best [ Chance ] bloody well said...

When men become feminine the country will be taken over by men from another group who are more masculine. Watch! This is what has happened through-out history when a ruling class has become feminine. Look around and wgo do you see taking over and replacing the current ruling class?

By Chance

31 March, 2006 00:22  
Blogger Counter-Revolutionary bloody well said...

I blame single parenting. Many men with only women role models seem to grow up easily manipulating women, more knowledgable than the average male, or hating women. Many female parents don't expect their boys to stop crying (or not cry at all) as would the male parent.

Ms CoRev has noticed this phenomon for many years in the local schools.

31 March, 2006 17:54  
Blogger Gyrobo bloody well said...

Standardized testing. All roads stem from the SAT.

It makes children as soft as butter on a hot Spring day.

01 April, 2006 19:31  
Blogger shoprat bloody well said...

Yes, that is part of the problem but I think it's part of a larger pattern that requires that nothing be preferable to anything else. They seem to think that there is no normal or weird, no superior or inferior. That would be a virtue if done with common sense but the left gets just plain absurd about it.

02 April, 2006 22:14  
Blogger Outside the Box bloody well said...

While I agree with the gist of your post, I think it's important to be careful with throwing around "feminist movement and modern liberalism ". Not that it's incorrect, but it does nothing to remind people of what we left behind. Those golden days that most conservatives seem to pine for. Those days when it was accepted for a man to end a "disagreement" with his wife with the back of his hand, or at least the threat of it. Just look at the Honeymooners or I Love Lucy.

The problem with the feminist movement brought was that it all happened too fast. Men went from not knowing how to handle an argument responsibly and maturely to saying, "Yes, dear. Of course, dear. What ever you want, honey."

However, if I blame the feminist movement for this, then it's only fair to give men their fair share of the blame also.

03 April, 2006 01:50  
Blogger Robosquirrel bloody well said...

I haven't had much time for more than the gist of things lately, Robert, but thanks for the insight. You're right of course. I've always said that social movements like feminism, unionization, civil rights, etc. were borne of a genuine need for change. I don't care to live in the days before people didn't expect to have to treat everybody as people.

My problem with these movements is that they didn't notice that they won. If they admit victory, they become obsolete, so they continue seeing oppression and injustice everytime a man scratches his crotch. Sort of like when all you have is a hammer, every problem tends to look like a nail. Instead of making the world better they're tilting at windmills and making things worse.

03 April, 2006 09:40  
Blogger Counter-Revolutionary bloody well said...

Well said, Robo.

03 April, 2006 16:17  
Blogger Gyrobo bloody well said...

Yes, society has problems. Yay, more random slogans! Must... feed...

04 April, 2006 20:13  
Blogger Lone Pony bloody well said...

Most definitely. Men are more feminine. I told you why...90% of the drugs we take just get washed back into the sewer and they end up back in our drinking water. So, all those birth control pills women take are now having an effect on men. See?

05 April, 2006 04:51  
Blogger Nicki bloody well said...

Perhaps it's because they have idiot mothers like this one to push them along on the road to cowardly wussification.

05 April, 2006 09:24  
Blogger B-Toad bloody well said...

Men cry when a loved pet or family member dies period. Anything else and you are a big pussy! Crying because you lost a ballgame? Boo Hoo Fucking Hoo you fucking loser! your getting to PLAY for a living so quit your crying!

just my two cents
~ B-Toad

06 April, 2006 16:11  
Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden bloody well said...

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06 April, 2006 19:08  
Anonymous Matt G bloody well said...

We need to bring back the old-school masculinity. Sylvester Stallone, Arnold, and even Tim Allen. Somewhere along the lines, men got pussified and got stuck in the "Friend Zone." The magazines promoting the "SNAG," along with newer emo music (not Sunny Day Real Estate and Mineral, but whiny bands like Taking Back Sunday and Silverstein) have turned men into the opposite of what women want. Women like sensitive guys for a friend, it's like when they hang out with gay men and tell them all their problems (crying shoulder). The men of the 50's and 70's had no trouble finding wives, because maybe they weren't sensitive, but they were men's men and could protect. Fuck the SNAG, let's look to good manly (but positive) role models. Rocky Balboa - nice, polite, caring guy, but tough, brave and really pretty macho. Tim "The Toolman" Taylor - Into guy stuff, grunted, made fun of women, but cared a lot about other people. Like I said, just a return to the old masculinity. None of this bikini wax stuff

06 January, 2008 03:10  

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